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Zeiss ZX1

Discussion in 'Other Brands' started by donlaw, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. donlaw

    donlaw Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    Stay in your flow. ZEISS ZX1.
    Wow, this looks to be very interesting. Have to wait on pricing, but I am excited to see a zeiss lens with FF!
     
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  2. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    so, is this just a Zeiss branded Sony RX1? I'm too tired to read everything, but that's what it looks like.
     
  3. drd1135

    drd1135 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jul 13, 2011
    Lexington, Virginia
    Steve
    It looks very different from the RX1. The website is really annoying to use.
     
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  4. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    Whomever is responsible for that website should be fired. Stuff flashing and auto-opening everywhere. It gave me a headache.

    But it is a full frame fixed 35mm lens camera with simple controls....right? The only camera I know like that is the RX1.

    I don't mean it physically resembles the RX1...it's more awkward and boxy and angular....like the Sigma Quattro guys got to redesign the RX1.

    I need to go somewhere other than the Zeiss page to read about it.
     
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  5. donlaw

    donlaw Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    I agree that website is terrible. Better to read about it here: ZX1: Zeiss' First Full-Frame Camera Has Lightroom Built In
    It fits into a niche with the RX1 and Leica Q. I find the inclusion of Lightroom interesting, but really like the 512G built in storage.
     
  6. serhan

    serhan All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    New lens/37MP FF sensor/camera designed by Zeiss for the cellphone generation... It is bigger then Rx1...


    1704880.
     
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  7. donlaw

    donlaw Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    The cell phone reference make sense. With built in software, storage and OLED display.
     
  8. Archiver

    Archiver Top Veteran

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    Jul 11, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    This is a very exciting camera, and very removed from the Sony RX1.
    • Full touchscreen interface
    • Lightroom CC bundled INSIDE the camera
    • 512GB internal SSD instead of memory cards
    • WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity to upload directly to the internet
    • Shutter speed and ISO dials on the top, aperture ring on the lens
    • 4K video
    • IMMENSE EVF, about twice the resolution of others
    While it wouldn't surprise me if this has a lot of Sony electronics inside, it's definitely not a rebadged RX1. I like this a LOT and am looking forward to seeing them in the metal.
     
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  9. donlaw

    donlaw Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    I am interested too. But suspect this will be pricey.
     
  10. Archiver

    Archiver Top Veteran

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    Jul 11, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Oh, it's going to be pricey, alright. I can't imagine this being cheaper than a Sony RX1r II. Probably Leica Q territory because it has a 512GB SSD built in, plus being small production run from a company that hasn't made a camera since the Zeiss Ikon film rangefinder, and has never produced a digital camera at all.

    My only concerns are how easy it will be to operate exposure compensation, and how long batteries last. Something like this has to suck up a fair bit of power for the processor, harddrive, lens AF, EVF etc.

    I just noticed it has no flash hotshoe, so no external flash.

    And it weighs 800g with battery, which means it is heavier than a Leica M9 body with no lens. So it's about the same weight as a M9 with Voigtlander 35mm f1.4 Nokton.
     
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  11. bilzmale

    bilzmale Super Moderator Emeritus Subscribing Member

    Jul 17, 2010
    Perth, Western Australia
    Bill Shinnick
    Not sure where I saw it but 5500 Euros comes to mind.
     
  12. Archiver

    Archiver Top Veteran

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    Jul 11, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    This would not surprise me in the slightest, and I don't understand how people (read: DPReview hecklers) can expect it to be USD $2000 or something equally daft. If the Sony RX1r II and Leica Q are the prices they are, how can a similar camera with even more technology, from a presumably even smaller production run, cost less??
     
  13. donlaw

    donlaw Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    It does have the hot shoe for external flash. The write up indicated Sigma flash protocol.
     
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  14. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
    If the 512GByte SSD storage is non-removable, this is an accident waiting to happen.

    People complain about cameras without dual slots for redundancy. At least with a Single Slot you can remove the pictures from the camera, put in a second card.

    On a humorous note, my 1993 Kodak DCS200 DSLR has a non-removable 80MByte SCSI disk built on. It still works. It will outlast most modern TByte drives even with the 25 year head start.
     
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  15. Archiver

    Archiver Top Veteran

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    Jul 11, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
    Ah, I get it. The hot shoe cover is completely in line with the body and only looks like a fine rectangular outline. I guess that's in keeping with their minimalist styling.
     
  16. serhan

    serhan All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
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  17. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    that hard drive must take up a lot of space. With all that space on the camera, it would have been nice to include some buttons and stuff.

    I guess the future is all about cel phone-like controls. I feel so left out.
     
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  18. Covey22

    Covey22 All-Pro

    Feb 3, 2012
    Touch screen is problematic for me, my schnoz seriously gets in the way, plus it gets all nasty from the oils, etc.

    I like that LR CC is built in, but how much headspace is available for the eventual updates to the PP software?

    This would be more versatile with an interchangeable mount. Zeiss has a full range of various lenses and mounts, so it's not like they'd be starting from scratch. Imagine this with a 85/24 setup. Brilliant.
     
  19. drd1135

    drd1135 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jul 13, 2011
    Lexington, Virginia
    Steve
    The interesting thing about this camera is that it appears it has done everything "phone-like" when it comes to connectivity except include a radio for cell service. Even the editing software is included. I would not be surprised at all to see a radio at some point. It will add about $10 a month to your phone bill but you then have a high end camera that connects just like a phone. On vacation last week I often pulled out the cell phone because I wanted to share the photo with others back home. It's how the world works right now and Zeiss seems to understand that. Of course, it would be better in a sub-$1000 camera than a potentially $5000 + one.
     
  20. serhan

    serhan All-Pro

    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    Well, you need to add $10/month for adobe LR subscription also:)  I don't know why Panasonic CM1 didn't work out, it was an upgrade from the current cellphone sensors...

     
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