Starting Over

Discussion in 'The Watering Hole' started by olli, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. olli

    olli Super Moderator Emeritus

    Sep 28, 2010
    Metro Manila
    I've had a photo website for a while now though recently its been sadly neglected. I originally intended it to be a place to post only what I felt were my best images. Over time, perhaps inevitably, I was far too promiscuous with my uploading and end up with far too many images.

    Initially I planned to reorganise what was already there but when I started trying to do so I ended up with a mess. So I decided there was only one option - delete everything and start again. It took a while but eventually I ended up with a blank white ready to be filled. So far I've been going slowly and plan to try to be more disciplined about what I upload.

    What was interesting to discover is that even though some of the existing images where ones I planned to keep on the site I was no longer happy with how they looked, so everything being uploaded has been reprocessed from scratch. I think that this is often because of a lack of skill on my part - I'm better at processing now than I used to be - but also because my tastes have changed. You can see the new slimline version at photography by olli.

    Is it just me or does anyone else ever feel the need to start all over with a website or image collection? And how many times have you looked at an older image and decided you no longer like the way you originally processed it?
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  2. Yeats

    Yeats All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    Some people claim promiscuity is a sin. Repent while you can!

    I gave a quick peek, and like what I see. I've bookmarked it to go back and view later.

    Not just you, I'm terrible and fickle about that.

    Often. Like you, sometimes it's the fact that my PP has (marginally) improved over time, and also my tastes have changed. But, most of all, its too many attempts at making chicken parmesan out of chicken poop.
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  3. stanleyk

    stanleyk Top Veteran

    May 23, 2011
    Taylor, Texas
    I'm not a good enough photographer to have a blog (and am usually pretty embarrassed about the photos I post here), but I would think editing your work is the hardest thing to do. I remember reading about this about Robert Frank's The Americans:

    "During his trip, Frank shot 767 rolls of film yielding about 27,000 images. He edited that down to about 1,000 work prints, spread them across the floor of his studio and tacked them to the walls for a final edit. Out of a year and a half of work, Frank chose just 83 images."
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  4. Luckypenguin

    Luckypenguin Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2010
    Brisbane, Australia
    I will make a note to have a good look when I get home. What little I did peek at just then looked great. I often find myself re-processing old images if I am browsing through my flickr account and find one that I don't quite like anymore. I used to be a bit more experimental with my processing and also tended to be more destructive in terms of contrast. A few more years of practise at processing helps now, too.
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  5. Isoterica

    Isoterica Hall of Famer

    Dec 6, 2011
    It is good to sift through your images every so often.. you want to present your best on your web site. Changing your layout every now and then makes the site feel more up to date too. On blogs its a little different, there you share with family and friends and you could post anything from phone shots to experimental stuff to gear etc.. and it's like a running history. Your site looks good so far.. very clean. I am between sites.. maybe I'll get back into it soon though.
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  6. olli

    olli Super Moderator Emeritus

    Sep 28, 2010
    Metro Manila
    Thanks all. Stan, you're far too modest. I've seen plenty of your images on this site that you should be displaying bigger and bolder somewhere.
  7. Phoenix

    Phoenix Super Moderator

    Dec 28, 2011
    Melbourne, Australia
    Phoenix Gonzales
    I have changed the layout of the website I keep my images twice, the last one very recent and while there are times when I have felt the need to purge the images that I have have uploaded I decided to keep them as a journal of my evolution as a photographer. I have originally set up the website as a place where people can critique my images ( I have found this to be so useful for my learning) and it has evolved into a place where I can keep my old images and look back and see how I have changed over time.

    What I consider as my best shots I submit to meetups, 500px, etc..but I keep almost all my photos in my website and still recieve feedback from some people which I use as a learning tool that I can take anywhere (that has a net connection)
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  8. Pelao

    Pelao All-Pro

    Jul 11, 2010
    Ontario, Canada

    Thanks for sharing.

    I don't share many of my photographs online. I prefer prints. So while my situation is different, I understand your journey. I think it's likely that you will continue to see images differently over time. Your skills and interests will evolve, as will your influence. Life changes too, causing us to emphasize different things. It's all good.

    I feel it makes sense to nuke it all and start again if that what works for you. I just glad you share the photographs, because I like them. I find them alive. I look at them and see a story; what happened just before, what is happening, what will happen next etc. This brings them alive to me.

    Keep going!
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  9. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    I don't recall what the old site looked like, but i know I saw it because most of those shots I have seen. I like how clean everything is.

    I think when I get a body of work that is worthy of a special home it will look pretty similar. My idea is that I will use flickr for sharing ANY image I make that I like, but my own website (sometime in the distant future) will feature ones that are a cut above.....or maybe 3 cuts above....LOL.

    Keep up the great work.
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  10. BillN

    BillN Hall of Famer

    Aug 25, 2010
    S W France
    reminds me of a song

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    killed on 8th Dec 1980
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  11. spinyman

    spinyman Veteran

    Dec 21, 2011
    Valley Center,Ca.
    BillN, Thanks for reminding me of just how special John Lennon was, and what a tragic day that was.Cut down in the renaissance of his life, he had so much more to give to the world.
    olli, Looking forward to seeing your site when I have some time.Self editing may be the hardest thing for any photographer to do.Every time I go through my photos, I delet a bunch.Even on Flicker, I drop old ones often.The mind can only process so much at a time.
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  12. BigTam

    BigTam Regular

    Jun 23, 2011
    Dortmund, Germany
    I think if I got 83 photos worth showing in 18 months I would be happy.

    My family and friends audience seem to like my photos more than me, but maybe they're just being kind. Or condescending :)
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  13. Michael T

    Michael T Top Veteran

    Jul 31, 2011
    The High Plains
    I start over and reprocess images fairly frequently, (advantage of shooting raw) sometimes because my feeling about the image changes over time and technology is always being upgraded. For years I did all post processing on Linux with "The Gimp", before that it was Windows and Adobe, now I have a Mac Book Pro with Retina and use Aperture with all the cool Nik filters, (usually over-cooked).

    I had to recently make a choice as well, Flickr displays only the most recent 200 images or pony up for a Pro account. Once I made the decision to pay for online storage, I looked around at most of the offerings and decided like you, that SmugMug offered the best experience for the money.
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  14. olli

    olli Super Moderator Emeritus

    Sep 28, 2010
    Metro Manila
    Thanks for your thoughts all. Thanks for your kind words Stephen. I understand your preference for prints. They are unbeatable when you get them I still like to have images available to view online.

    Luke, visually the site hasn't changed much. I've switched from a white background to a very light grey background but that's about all. I do like a spare, minimalist look. I take a similar approach - flickr is where everything gets posted (eventually), my blog gets more recent shots (though not exclusively) and over time some of these may get 'promoted' while others will eventually get deleted. I've also be posting selected images to 500px which I had dropped off but have now started up again. Personally I would encourage you to take the plunge with a site sooner rather than later if that's what you intend to do, otherwise you might keep waiting never get round to it.

    David, I entirely agree about the need to delete. I live in dread of amassing a hard drive full of thousands or tens of thousands of images. I already have a sense of it being out of control with the 2-3 thousand I currently have.

    Michael, congrats on the new site. I've generally been happy with SmugMug though there have been a couple of issues recently with the non arrival of a long promised make over and a rather dramatic price increase at the pro level. I did reconsider my options when I decided to go for the relaunch but none of the competing products were decisively better, so I choose to stick with SmugMug.
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  15. Yeats

    Yeats All-Pro

    Jul 31, 2012
    New Jersey, USA
    I spent some time perusing your site, Olli, and goodness is your photography wonderful!
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  16. olli

    olli Super Moderator Emeritus

    Sep 28, 2010
    Metro Manila
    Your very kind Chris, but do bear in mind so far I've posted about a dozen out of a couple of thousand images. Its all downhill from here:smile:
  17. pdh

    pdh Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    Misplaced modesty Olli. You have a wonderful eye .
    As to the original question ... I often think my Flickr 'stream could do with winnowing but the effort seems too huge, plus it's more like a visual diary than a portfolio.
    The downside is I have artist friends who like my photos but can't face the sheer volume ... They won't be the only ones
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  18. KianO

    KianO Top Veteran

    Jun 27, 2012
    I enjoy your blog a lot and didn't follow it since my last visit, just figured I could add the RSS! Congratulations :)
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