Leica CL with M21/3.4

Discussion in 'Leica' started by luo yi, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Hi Bud,

    I bought the CL body and mount the M21/3.4A on it. Therefore, I can onyl focus mannully. The TL lenses focus automatically and it is frequently said that the autofocus is quite fast by the web reviews.

    Anyway, CL is a lovely model.

    Enjoy.

    Luo
     
  2. carlb

    carlb All-Pro

    Feb 6, 2013
    Toward telling the CL which lens you're shooting, in the menus manually select a Leica lens that best matches the characteristics of your (less expensive) lens choice.

    I occasionally shoot Zeiss M-Mount wide-angle lenses, they are marvelously sharp. I "feel" they have a different look than their Leica counterparts (not better or worse). Absolute sharpness beyond a certain point isn't necessarily better if you end up giving up anything toward bokeh look, color, flare-resistance, etc. Not to say that the Zeiss gives up much in the other categories..

    But put two photos side-by-side, I'm sure I couldn't say which came from a Leica lens, and which a Zeiss.

    Portrait ... on an APS-C, anything from 35mm to 60mm will be fine. If you have a preferred focal length, go for it. You'll need a bit wider aperture to get the same out-of-focus effect as a given lens would on a full-frame.

    Is there a reason you don't want to consider the TL 35mm? It apparently achieves gorgeous results for bokeh, sharpness, color, etc. And it has auto-focus on the CL ... A bit less expensive than a similarly spec'd Leica M mount lens ..
     
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  3. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Hi Carlb, very useful tips. Thanks. I have been puzzled by the third party lens issue on CL these days. Zeiss and Voigtlander have quite a few high quality lenses for M mount with reatively low cost compared to the primary ones
     
  4. carlb

    carlb All-Pro

    Feb 6, 2013
    Leica M mount versus 3rd Party M mount ...

    In general, only the Leica is the Leica. Heh! But yes they're so much more expensive.

    I think the decision comes down to: the Leica has a bit of its own thing going on for experience, and much more subjectively, results. You do pay dearly for that, but if you split that extra cost across the years that you shoot the lens ... and compare how much extra you enjoy the Leica lens over those years ... For me it's most often worth it.

    Keep in mind that I buy almost all of my Leica gear used. So I bring down that high cost a little bit.
     
  5. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Leica is Leica. Agree absolutely. Otherwise, why a Leica body? As a matter of fact, each brand has its own 'culture'. Combination with a third party, either body or lens, generate a new 'culture'. The new 'culture' is good, as lots of photographers have been trying with endless attempts and enjoying. Nevetheless, it is different from their origins, more or less. My searching space for the second lens is being narrowed to M50/2 and M35/2A now. However, the ZM35/1.4 is still within my eye scope for its large aperture, color rendering, and incredible sharpness.
     
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  6. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    It was very cold outside. I am still not used to hold the small cl yet, especially in such a cold day. Tried only a few shots for your comments. Appreciated!
    L1000033-NEO-BW.jpg L1000036-NEO-BW.jpg
    They were shot in DNG+JPEG (S). I did not use the DNG. Instead, I resized the jpg, coverted to the BW, and added a frame in Neo-Imaging. As I remeber, the F-stops are at 8 for both photos.
     
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  7. carlb

    carlb All-Pro

    Feb 6, 2013
    Good looks to both images, Luo. The 21mm SEL is nicely rectilinear here, and quite sharp throughout. Great lens.

    The second image has just a few spots near saturation, which is just about perfect for displaying the largest dynamic range. Great architectural subject matter.

    The first image appears slightly off-horizon? One thing I'll often try for wide angle is to get low, close to the water (or ice), and try the shot from there. Something tocreate a reference close to the person viewing the photo which I often find helps a composition.

    Just wondering, why jpeg and not raw? I like pulling the best resolution I can from a DNG, which can be quite surprising.
     
  8. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Suggestive comments, Carl. Appreciated. For the first image, I found that the tower is not critically vertical too. Might have straigthened it a little bit, or adjusted the camera a little when shooting.

    I tried to buy a copy of Light Room. However, I did not succeed. Thus, I have no software to treat the DNG files up to now. I will play with the images when I get the Light Room. Cheers.
     
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  9. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Yes. There is some kind of reflection from the right section of the dome. However, in the image, it is just near saturation. It was not white out. I noticed that spot. The smooth tone transition is amazing. I have to say, I like it very much.
     
  10. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Another photo at the same place of the first image. The dark section is fairly good, full of details . If there were some shimmering on the ice, would it be better? L1000030-NEO-BW.jpg
     
  11. Luo - You might want to check Adobe for the photographer's "package".
    Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan | Professional photo editing software
    It's $9.99 per month and you get Lightroom and Photoshop. I like it because you get updates included. I had issues with Lightroom CC, (cloud based), but the "Classic" version works great on our Macs. Good luck.
    . . . David
     
  12. luo yi

    luo yi Regular

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    Jan 5, 2018
    Thanks, Burkey.
    I will try. I have much to learn the post processing. Generally, I just make a little adjustment to the exposure and the curve in Nikon Capture. Frequently, I do resizing, cropping, and adding a frame as the final touch. ^_^.
     
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  13. Tjh1023

    Tjh1023 New Member

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    Apr 6, 2014
    We’re these with the 21/3.4? They look great!
     
  14. budjames

    budjames Rookie

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    Jul 31, 2016
    Luo,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I purchased my first Leica, the M10 in December. I have a few Leica primes to go with it. I'm getting the hang of manual focusing and the resulting image quality, processed in Capture One Pro 11, is fantastic.

    The Fuji XF primes and zooms for my XT2 and XPro2 are sharp and contrasty, but every Leica lens has great micro-contrast and edge to edge sharpness, even when shot wide open. They are a notch slightly above the Fuji glass, however, the comparison really demonstrates how good the Fuji XF lens are.

    You can check out my first Leica-produced portfolio images on my web site by clicking HERE.

    Regards,
    Bud James

    www.budjames.photography