For the same price, two totally different options?

Discussion in 'Open Gear Talk' started by gdourado, May 8, 2014.

  1. gdourado

    gdourado Regular

    Feb 8, 2012

    How are you?

    I will be going on Honeymoon on the end of the month and would like to buy a new camera to take with me.

    I have my eye on the Sony RX1, now that the prices have dropped.

    From what I read, the lens is one of the best 35mm out there. And the weeding between the lens and the sensor is top class.

    The sensor is supposed to offer excellent dynamic range, low light capability and general IQ.

    The other option is get a Fuji XE-1 with the 18-55 zoom and then get the 56mm 1.2.

    The total price will be roughly the same.

    I don't want to go the DSLR route, so that is not an option.

    I just want a practical camera that does not get in the way. I am not travelling to take pictures. I want to enjoy my trip and take a few pictures.

    I am torn, because I think the RX1 is the ultimate in IQ, but it is limited to 35mm FOV. That scares me a bit because I like to take portraits and the 35mm is too wide.

    The XE-1 has an EVF, can take various lenses, like the excellent 23mm 1.4, 35mm 1.4, 56mm 1.2... Can do UWA shooting with the 10-24...

    But it is bigger, heavier, and could get more expensive over time when GAS installs itself for new lenses...

    The RX1 is supposed to be king on the 35mm FOV, but it is limited to 35mm...

    But it is practical, just one camera to take, doesn't need a bag to carry lenses and accessories...

    I just don't know what to do...

    For a casual everyday camera and travel, what option would you choose?

    Please help me out here. If I want a new camera for my trip, I have to order on the next couple of days...

  2. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    I have owned both and the IQ is close enough to not matter (IMHO). If you want more than one focal length (and reading this description it sounds like you do), the Fuji is clearly a better choice. If you don't want to take a bag with you, leave your fancy 56mm lens at home....the 18-55mm is more than good enough for a few snaps on your trip and long enough to shoot portraits.

    Just my 2 cents.

    p.s. - enjoy your trip
  3. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs Legend

    Sep 21, 2010
    Not too far from Philly
    you should be able to figure it out...
    I've owned both also. You just have to decide whether a bit of versatility is more important than the ultimate IQ or not. There is an IQ difference, but the Fuji IQ is very very good. It's just that the RX1 is insanely good. One thought if you go with Fuji - consider getting the 60mm and the 23mm instead if the 56mm. You'll have a good portrait lens in the 60 and the 23 is good enough to ease the pain of not getting the RX1 - the Fuji 23 is a great lens. The only drawback is that the 60mm AF is pretty slow on the older bodies like the XE1 - it's more than adequate on the XE2 and XT1, but might be a little sketchy for candid portraits on the XE1. OTOH, you also get some macro capability...

    Good luck. Either is a great choice but only you can decide on versatility vs insane quality...

  4. El Guapo

    El Guapo Regular

    Feb 3, 2014
    I've not owned either, AND I fear I will be no help with your dilemma.
    My head says the Fuji but my heart says the RX1.

    Consider that you could take wider portraits with the Sony and crop later and still retain some res because of the larger sensor.
    If going the Fuji and multiple lenses you'd need to consider a bag or how you will carry it all - Backpack?
    I like Luke's idea of the lone zoom.

    One more thing to consider, if this is an expensive trip I would try to take more than one camera but you may not have the funds for it?
    What about a RX100 as a companion with the Fuji with Zoom rather than an extra lens?
  5. davidzvi

    davidzvi Veteran

    Apr 18, 2014
    For me the choice would be simple. But I know I could not do a single fixed lens. So I would pick the X-E1 with 18-55 and 18mm f2 or 27mm f2.8. But that's me and that might be the real question to ask. Can you live with just that fixed lens? I currently have an m4/3 with 3 lenses (14mm, 14-42, and 14-140). The 14 is my most used by a good margin. But there are times when I just need options.

    Actually the RX100 with the RX1 would make a nice pair.
  6. bluzcity

    bluzcity Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Jul 24, 2013
    Memphis, TN
    I would go with the XE 2 and 18-55. Have fun!
  7. krugorg

    krugorg All-Pro

    Sep 26, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    Kyle Krug
    I really appreciate having something compact during travel. It seems like the X-E1 with a 27/2.8 would be great along with a 56/1.2 when you wanted to do portraits/tele, but I am not a zoom guy.
  8. krugorg

    krugorg All-Pro

    Sep 26, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    Kyle Krug
    .... but I am going to be probably just taking only my RX1 on the next vacation. :biggrin:
  9. retow

    retow All-Pro

    Jul 24, 2010
    I suggest to get the RX1 plus another relatively inexpensive camera to add versatility. If IQ is priority, pair the Sony with a DP3M and you have more IQ in a small bag than any other combo can deliver. Another option would be to add the RX1 with the shirt pocketable RX100II. The RX1 & RX100II share the same batteries and EVF. And how about a used A7 with the 35mm (not costing more than a used RX1 & EVF) for starters and adding the outstanding 55mm later?
  10. pniev

    pniev Student for life

    May 13, 2013
    You've got all the advice you need by now, so I am just going to say: congratulations with your marriage, enjoy your holiday, and please share your photos!

    Perhaps one thing to add: once you get the 35mm "eye", it turns out that it is a very versatile focal length to shoot with, including spontaneous portraits during dinner, etc. Having one camera with one lens is very convenient! Whether that's the RX1 or one of the Fuji's with a zoom lens is up to you. Try to follow your heart!
  11. Landshark

    Landshark PhotoDog

    Jul 15, 2010
    for me I would have a hard time with just a "35mm" ; 28 or 24 maybe, so because of the focal length I have not even considered the RX1, I doubt you will disappointed in any way with the Fuji.
    Also for me while I like using different cameras, I only like to use one at a time, I find I make more mistakes by trying to use different operating systems on the same outing.
  12. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Regular

    Jan 10, 2014
    Telling someone to buy and take multiple new cameras on his honeymoon is not the best way to encourage a long and happy marriage.
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  13. davidzvi

    davidzvi Veteran

    Apr 18, 2014
    Actually while I was not the first person to suggest the combo. But in reality that combo would take up no more space than the X-E1 + 18-55 + 56.
    That's also why I have my m4/3 system; small / compact / doesn't get in the way.
  14. SnapDawg

    SnapDawg Rorschach Test Pilot

    Apr 18, 2014
    Canary Islands
    Since nobody mentioned Sony NEXes; the 6 and 7 are very capable, very compact and light cameras. The 24mm/f1.8 Sony Zeiss (35mm equiv.) as well as the 50mm/f1.8 Sony (75mm FF) are excellent lenses in their own right + you could get the kit at a decent discount these days.
  15. romi.gilles

    romi.gilles Top Veteran

    May 17, 2013
    back in Crooklyn
    x100/s + converter/s

    (Sent from another Galaxy via Tapatalk.)
  16. gdourado

    gdourado Regular

    Feb 8, 2012
    Hi, thank you all for your replies! :)
    And the congratulations on the wedding. I am really happy! :)
    Returning to camera dilemma... It just got worse today...
    Went to a local store and they have a clearance sale. A bundle with:
    - Olympus E-m5
    - 12-50 lens
    - 17mm 1.8 lens
    - Olympus 3 piece grip.

    All for 999 euros.
    I am really tempted!
    But going from a dilemma between a full frame and aps camera to a M43...
    I just don't know...
    What can you tell me about the Olympus option?

    Cheers and thanks!
  17. Armanius

    Armanius Bring Jack back!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Houston, Texas
    With the Oly kit, you will get a fully weather proof kit with the EM5 + 12-50 zoom. The 17/1.8 is a very good lens and will give you a good low light option. The auto focus is faster and more reliable on the EM5 than on either the Fuji or the RX1. The image quality of the EM5 is as good as the Fuji in good lighting conditions, but has more noise in low light/high ISO conditions. The RX1 IQ is head and shoulders better than the EM5, and better than the Fuji XE1.

    How much can you get the RX1 or the Fuji combo for? If the Olympus combo is significantly cheaper, it would allow you to splurge on a portrait lens like the very Olympus 45mm f/1.8.

    I currently have the EM5, and used to have the XE1 and XPro1. Never owned the RX1, but I do own the Sony A7, which has the same sensor.
  18. gdourado

    gdourado Regular

    Feb 8, 2012
    I am curious on why you had Fuji and now the E-M5...

    As far as prices, I can get the X-E1 with 18-55 for 600 and the X-E2 with 18-55 for 950.
    The lenses are worse... The 23 1.4 goes
    For 775 and the 56 for 875.

  19. davidzvi

    davidzvi Veteran

    Apr 18, 2014
    m4/3 lenses will be cheaper, no question. But that's a function of how long the format has been around and that there are 2 major manufacturers supporting it Olympus and Panasonic.

    I use to have a Fuji S5Pro, image the options if Fuji had been able to keep the Nikon lens mount on the mirrorless body? (yes I understand the it would have a serious engineering issue). There are 38 lenses listed on B&H for Fuji, 87 lenses for the m4/3. There are 281 CURRENT lenses listed on B&H for Nikon.
  20. gdourado

    gdourado Regular

    Feb 8, 2012
    I still can't make up my mind between the E-M5 kit with two piece grip, 12-50 and 17 1.8 and the Fuji...
    I want to get the Fuji, mainly because of their primes, like the 23mm and 56mm.
    But the Oly is also on my mind.

    What I came to:
    Oly Pros:
    - IBIS
    - Without the grip and with a pancake lens it's pocketable
    - Better EVF in regard to lag
    - Faster and more accurate AF

    Fuji Pros:
    - Manual controls of shutter speed and aperture
    - APS-C Sensor allows for better DOF control
    - Fast primes available 1.4 and 1.2

    But I am afraid that if I go with the Fuji, I might end up not taking it with me often due to size.
    With the 23 or 56, it requires a bag of some sort and it is heavy.
    With the Oly, I could have the 17 1.8 and 45 1.8 and keep the size and weight really down...

    How is the 45 1.8? In DOF it equals roughly an f3.5 on FF...
    While the Fuji 1.2 equals 1.8...
    How much difference does it make in shooting portraits?
    Also, how big is the size and weight difference between the two systems?
    Another thing that gets me excited is the 12-40 Oly lens...
    It is weather sealed, small and light. But it only equals f5.6 in DOF...
    I know the Fuji will have a 16-55 2.8 zoom, but I am afraid it will be too big and heavy to carry casually with me...

    What's your thoughts?