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[C&C] Comparison test....

Discussion in 'Photo Critique' started by AndyH44, Jul 22, 2018.

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  1. Both JPEGs SOOC. Which looks better to you?

    PL721051.JPG
    E-PL7    OLYMPUS M.17mm F2.8    17mm    f/5.6    1/1250s    ISO 200
    XT1A0035.JPG
    X-T1    XF23mmF1.4 R    23mm    f/5.6    1/950s    ISO 200
     
  2. Definitely the bottom for only one reason. Much better definition in the clouds. Otherwise, they are pretty much equal to my eye.
     
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  3. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    at the size they are on my screen, they are nearly identical....except as Sue mentioned...a touch of detail in the clouds that is blown out in the top one.
     
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  4. donlaw

    donlaw Hall of Famer

    Sep 14, 2012
    Texas
    Don
    The sky color in the 2nd one is more pleasing to my eye.
    However, the 1st might have a more accurate rendering of the actual sky color.
     
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  5. Matero

    Matero Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Jan 28, 2014
    Helsinki, Finland
    I like a bit ‘creamy’ look of the top one.
     
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  6. AndyMcD

    AndyMcD Veteran

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    Jul 15, 2017
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    I prefer the second one, it seems a bit more contrasty and has better colour saturation
     
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  7. Bobby Tingle

    Bobby Tingle Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 31, 2013
    Louisville, Ky
    Bottom image has better color, more detail, and the clouds are not blown out.
     
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  8. Lightmancer

    Lightmancer Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2011
    Sunny Frimley
    Bill Palmer
    Option 3 - which lies between 1 and 2. Cloud detail is blown in #1, but #2 is a bit "crunchy" to my eye.
     
  9. Nobody asked, but the images are from 2 different camera brands; Olympus & Fuji. When printed 4x6 on my Pixma 9120, I was surprised at how little difference there was.

    Please define "crunchy". Couldn't find a setting for that in my cameras' menus! :hmmm:
     
  10. Lightmancer

    Lightmancer Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2011
    Sunny Frimley
    Bill Palmer
    Crunchy = too much contrast.

    What were the settings? It does not appear that we are comparing like for like.
     
  11. 1/1250; f5.6; Vivid; sharpness +1; Contrast +1; NR Auto; NF Off
    1/950; f5.6; Velvia; sharpness +1; NR -1
     
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  12. Lightmancer

    Lightmancer Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2011
    Sunny Frimley
    Bill Palmer
    Surely that's just the Fuji settings? TTBOMK Olympus does not have a Velvia mode.

    A fairer test would be to start from the respective raw files and apply the same degree of processing to each. There are so many variables at work here...
     
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  13. Top is Oly settings...
    Bottom is, well, I think you can figure that one! :biggrin:
    Sorry, but PP is not what I do. SOOC is my thing.
     
  14. Lightmancer

    Lightmancer Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2011
    Sunny Frimley
    Bill Palmer
    OK, so this isn't a meaningful comparison.
     
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  15. It is to me!
     
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  16. Lightmancer

    Lightmancer Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2011
    Sunny Frimley
    Bill Palmer
    No, I'm sorry. I'm not being awkward, simply factual. You are comparing apples and bathplugs. There are a myriad variables that come into play, even down to the gamma settings of our individual monitors. It's a waste of time to "compare" without a meaningful baseline. It's like me seeing you under the California sun then a couple of weeks seeing you under fluorescent light and saying you look a bit peaky now...
     
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  17. Disagree completely. First of all this was a comparison of SOOC JPEGs not molested by any post processing. The setting are typical of what I choose to use for each camera; not at all what you think may be correct. I merely asked "which looks better" and didn't ask for a dissertation of how to set my cameras, or how to create images for PP molesting. Pretty simple to understand for most.

    BTW - There was NO "option 3". You're wrong again!
     
  18. Luke

    Luke Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Nov 11, 2011
    Milwaukee, WI USA
    Luke
    I have to disagree, Bill. He's not asking which camera is "better" and then asking us to judge based on SOOC jpegs with random settings.

    He's asking which one is "better" as an SOOC jpeg. That question may be meaningless to YOU since you would use the raw files anyways. But it is meaningful for one that values SOOC jpeg to know which is preferred by most.

    Let's take the old saying you can't compare apples to oranges. That's absurd....of course you can. I almost always prefer the apples....unless it is one of those vile green ones.
     
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  19. Chris2500dk

    Chris2500dk Top Veteran

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    Dec 22, 2011
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    I prefer the bottom one (Fuji), but you could probably change the Olympus settings to pull back the highlights a bit more and add a tad of saturation and then they would look very similar.
    Full size files might show more.
     
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  20. Yeah, I've been tweaking the Oly settings to see if I can come close to what Fuji gives, but still not satisfied. Good light gives reasonably similar results, but low/poor light and the Oly really suffers.
    What is amazing though is how an "ancient" Oly E-PL7 with a 17mm f2.8 lens can create decent images, even compared to the X-T1 with a 23 f1.4 lens! The Oly combo cost me much less than the used X-T1 alone!
     
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