Showcase 7Artisans 50mm F1.1 M-Mount lens

Discussion in 'Leica' started by BrianS, Jul 22, 2017.

  1. Raid

    Raid All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    The lens arrived today. It is beautiful and quite heavy. We have lots of rain, but on Sunday the weather may be free of rain. I will try to use this lens during the weekend on the borrowed M240.
     
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  2. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
    I think you are going to like it- Sonnar rendering and FAST!

    I would like you to do a test: try it on the M240 with and without the lens detection turned on.
     
  3. Raid

    Raid All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    I used manual lens setting, and I chose the 50/1.0 Noctilux.
    If I turn the lens detection off versus on, what is the expected effect?
     
  4. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
    I want to see how much vignetting occurs in the corners with the M240 CMOS sensor with corrections turned off. Will be interesting to compare with the M9.
     
  5. Raid

    Raid All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    Got it. I can do this test quickly.
     
  6. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Regular

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    Aug 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    Hi everyone! Brian invited me over from the Nikon Cafe to post some pictures I've been taking with the 7Artisans 50mm 1.1 lens! At first I wasn't sure if I liked it, but now I LOVE IT! It renders differently from anything else I have in my photographic arsenal, though I currently use the lens mounted on a Sony A7 II + Techart Pro adapter and shoot it using AF. :)

    Anyways here are a couple samples I've shot with the lens:
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    by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr

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    by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr

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    by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr

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  7. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
    Welcome aboard, and thanks for posting these.

    This lens is a well thought out design, could be right out of the 1950s. I've never shot with the Zunow 5cm F1.1, but of the pictures that I've seen with that lens- the rendering is similar. The Zunow in Leica mount is ~$6000 these days. The 7Artisans lens was introduced at what the Zunow went for when new, 60 years ago. Very different from the 50/1.1 Nokton and Canon 50/0.95.
     
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  8. M. Valdemar

    M. Valdemar Regular

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    Aug 5, 2013
    New York City
    I have a Sony A7 which doesn't work with the Techart AF adapter. I've been thinking about selling the A7 and getting an A7 II. How do you like the Techart? Any glitches or are you happy with it?
     
  9. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Regular

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    Aug 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    The Techart Pro adapter is currently at firmware ver. 5.0 and using the latest firmware on the A7 II the combination is very useable even in a work setting. On occasion the adapter will reset itself, but other than that my adapter has been very reliable.
     
  10. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Regular

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    Aug 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    Do you have any recommendations for wider lenses that may render in a similar way? My use would be for portrait work. I've been looking at the Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron to pair with the 7Artisans. The busier and crazier the OOF areas, the better! Also I'd prefer something cheap'ish. :D
     
  11. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
    The Jupiter-12 / Biogon is closest to the Sonnar formula that you will find for a wide-angle lens. BUT- the massive rear element will not sit well with Mirrorless cameras. It works with the M8, M9, M Monochrom- and as far as I know, The M240.

    The Nikkor 3.5cm F2.5 is a traditional double-Gauss, is very sharp, has some interesting Bokeh. The Nikkor runs ~$300 in Leica mount. The Canon 35/2 is also worth looking at.

    Nikkor-W 3.5cm F2.5 on the Leica M9 and M Monochrom

    The Voigtlander lenses have a smoother rendering, at least my 35/1.2 and 35/1.7 are very smooth. I've not shot with the 28/2.
     
  12. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Regular

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    Aug 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    Hmm, you got me interested in the Jupiter 12! I'd prefer something a tad wider, but 35mm is manageable if the price is right! Also the rear element is only an issue on the cropped frame cameras, not an issue shooting full frame.

    On a side note, I'm beginning to wonder if these so-called lens reviewers even understand photography at all? They complain about busy backgrounds and soft corners. If that's the case, just shoot with a kit lens and be done with it. I'm starting to gravitate to MF glass just for their unique rendering qualities. :D
     
  13. asiafish

    asiafish All-Pro

    Aug 9, 2013
    Bakersfield, CA
    Andrew
    Here is a very similar view with the Leica 50/0.95 Noctilux on the M-D at the Castle Air Museum. That Chinese lens does a commendable job at roughly 1/40th of the price.

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  14. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
  15. Raid

    Raid All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    My few shots taken with the 7Artisans at 1.1 look unsharp to me. It can't be my eyes since I have taken many sharp shots with my M9 and M8. I have used 50/.095 and 50/1.0 and other fast lenses in past years. Is it the M240 or is it the lens or is it the combination of lens and camera or is it by chance?
     
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  16. M. Valdemar

    M. Valdemar Regular

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    Aug 5, 2013
    New York City
    It takes a few tries the nail the focus with an M Leica. Remember the depth of field is almost non-existent. When you use that same M240 with other fast lenses, are the images unsharp as well? There is a chance the camera could be off too, especially if it is a loaner.
     
  17. Raid

    Raid All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    I just got the M240 as a loaner, so I have no experience with it. I am used to my M8 and M9 cameras.
     
  18. BrianS

    BrianS Super Moderator

    Apr 3, 2013
    Raid- try the Liveview. Also- your Olympus EVF for the EP2 will work with the M240.

    Test the RF against the Liveview. At F1.1- the RF Cam must be better than 0.01mm for accuracy. Slightest deviation of the camera or lens- will be an issue.
     
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  19. Raid

    Raid All-Pro

    Dec 15, 2011
    I will do both tests. I could also use the lens on the M8.
     
  20. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Regular

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    Aug 21, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    Since I'm using it on the Sony A7 II (utilizing the Techart Pro adapter w/on sensor phase detection + IBIS) my lens seems pretty sharp most of time using AF. It's a bit dreamy wide open, but it sharpens up nicely in post production. If the lens seems off, 7Artisans' provides that adjustment tool for RF cameras, though it probably takes some trial and error to get it properly calibrated.
     
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