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Fuji A Change in Platforms Maybe
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Tim Williams
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- Tim Williams
Stunning David. these are beautiful. I really like #1. I'm feeling that itch again. My back may just have to man up.
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- David
Those are old, as is my elbow. 
Really, the point is that most of the images I shoot for person / family these days never get printed, it's all online. So even a slight crop from an 8mp grab off 4k may be more than enough to capture the moments of the g-kids playing sports. The only thing to remember about Olympus Pro capture is it's limited to Olympus lenses.
I haven't done a lot of reading on Fuji's 4k stuff, but even if there aren't the in camera tools like Panasonic, it shouldn't be hard in post.
Really, the point is that most of the images I shoot for person / family these days never get printed, it's all online. So even a slight crop from an 8mp grab off 4k may be more than enough to capture the moments of the g-kids playing sports. The only thing to remember about Olympus Pro capture is it's limited to Olympus lenses.I haven't done a lot of reading on Fuji's 4k stuff, but even if there aren't the in camera tools like Panasonic, it shouldn't be hard in post.
Tim Williams
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I am going to take the D300 out and see how big I can go with prints. SOOC. I have already found another D700 if I need it .
Dave Jenkins
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Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater, Tim. Get a D500 or other late model crop-frame Nikon to go with your 80-200 and use your Fuji for the things it’s good at.
Tim Williams
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Agreed Dave. I'm keeping my 18-55 and XT1 for now for a compact light kit. I just need to go in a different direction for other areas. A D500 would be nice and I am actively shopping now. Nothing will get done over night. Thanks.
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Nothing wrong with having different kits for different uses right? Right?
Tim Williams
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Right.
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Tim Williams
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Well after all that went through my brain on this subject yesterday one of the last thoughts I had before bed was that some of the best sports shots in the history of sports were made with manual focus equipment. That thought has been with me most of the day.
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While true, I can tell you 100% my camera can focus faster than my eyes can.
Tim Williams
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Well I'm pretty much stuck with what Ive got for a couple more months, so that will give me time to work on different techniques. I already have my pattern down with the D300, but going to try different tricks with the XT1.
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mma2
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I'm a believer in different kits for different purposes.
While I recently sold my X-T2, I owned it concurrently with my D300. Speaking ONLY from my experience, I found the speed and performance of the predictive AF-C of the D300 to be significantly better for tennis/baseball action shots than my X-T2 (using fast AF lenses, e.g. Fuji 50-140/2.8 OIS vs. Nikon 70-200/f4 VR). Despite trying all of the X-T2's AF-C options over the past year, the percentage of in-focus frames were consistently lower than that of the D300. Again, this is just my experience and I did spend a lot of time and effort trying find the best AF-C settings for both cameras for what I was shooting. I had purchased the X-T2 with the sincere hope that it would replace my Nikon for this type of action photography.
The previously mentioned D500 is in another league in terms of vastly better predictive AF-C speed and performance as well as significantly better IQ. If you go in this direction, you surely won't be disappointed for action photography. [FWIW, the 70-200/f4 VR weighs substantially less than a 80-200/f2.8, has VRII, and will focus considerably faster.]
For the other 95% of my needs, family events, travel, and just fun photography, I love the Fuji X system and would have no other. While I don't mind having two kits for different uses, I fully expect a future X-T body to fully match the AF-C performance of today's top dSLRs while remaining small and light. When this model is introduced, there will be one in my bag and I will gladly sell off the other kit!
Rick
While I recently sold my X-T2, I owned it concurrently with my D300. Speaking ONLY from my experience, I found the speed and performance of the predictive AF-C of the D300 to be significantly better for tennis/baseball action shots than my X-T2 (using fast AF lenses, e.g. Fuji 50-140/2.8 OIS vs. Nikon 70-200/f4 VR). Despite trying all of the X-T2's AF-C options over the past year, the percentage of in-focus frames were consistently lower than that of the D300. Again, this is just my experience and I did spend a lot of time and effort trying find the best AF-C settings for both cameras for what I was shooting. I had purchased the X-T2 with the sincere hope that it would replace my Nikon for this type of action photography.
The previously mentioned D500 is in another league in terms of vastly better predictive AF-C speed and performance as well as significantly better IQ. If you go in this direction, you surely won't be disappointed for action photography. [FWIW, the 70-200/f4 VR weighs substantially less than a 80-200/f2.8, has VRII, and will focus considerably faster.]
For the other 95% of my needs, family events, travel, and just fun photography, I love the Fuji X system and would have no other. While I don't mind having two kits for different uses, I fully expect a future X-T body to fully match the AF-C performance of today's top dSLRs while remaining small and light. When this model is introduced, there will be one in my bag and I will gladly sell off the other kit!
Rick
Tim Williams
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Well I'm not sure I want to go back to a crop sensor camera . Shooting Landscapes on my D700 seemed so natural, and its sensor was great, then I could shift gears and It would track pretty good, but The D500 is where I'll go but I don't have a wide DX lens. Going to keep the XT1 and 18-55. I will pick up the D500 in a week or two, and get educated all over again. Lens kit will take a bit. going t make some adjustments.
mma2
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Tim,
If you are going to a D500 for sports photography, perhaps you could borrow an appropriate lens and try it for landscapes. The IQ of the current state-of-the-art crop sensors is amazing. I am also a former D700 owner. Up against a D500 for landscapes...might be in for a real surprise.
A lighter weight Fuji kit for landscapes and general photography, a D500 for action. I like it!
Best Wishes and Good Luck,
Rick
If you are going to a D500 for sports photography, perhaps you could borrow an appropriate lens and try it for landscapes. The IQ of the current state-of-the-art crop sensors is amazing. I am also a former D700 owner. Up against a D500 for landscapes...might be in for a real surprise.
A lighter weight Fuji kit for landscapes and general photography, a D500 for action. I like it!
Best Wishes and Good Luck,
Rick
Tim Williams
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The hardest thing for me to do is sell good glass " I just bought one back I missed it so much". Backpacked my Fuji kit for 1.5 miles yesterday, got one photo that was a keeper. That's worth it. What's not worth it is the pain that was involved in that short hike. Thought I may rebound by today but no go. There will be no change in systems at this time just because of weight. Tired of taking pain meds for my back to function. After 4 months of improvement and relapse, I give up.
tonyturley
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Really sorry for your troubles, Tim. Having gone through severe back pain and surgery myself, I am very thankful the surgery was successful and I regained full function. I know the surgery is not without its risks, but it might be something to discuss with your physician, if you haven't already.
Tim Williams
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Thanks Tony, I have an Appt. soon and I'm to the point I want to know if this is an option, if so then I'm game. This is from someone who said I wouldn't get my back operated on unless I couldn't walk. Well I can walk but not pain free and not for any distance.
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I know your pain and thankfully therapy cut my pain level from an 8 to a 1.
KillRamsey
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Tim I think of your experience and responses with mirrorless somewhat often as I’m shooting, believe it or not. Nothing deep, mind you, but it’s something interesting to mull over -- and I do like to mull, often while biking. I’ve got a theory, and I think it explains a lot about where you are. Even though I’m not sure it offers much of a path forward, I’ll share it.
What I’m usually pondering is the differences in us, and what might explain how we both find very similar gear for very similar purposes. After kicking several ideas off the table, I have one that sticks: You know better. By that, I mean that you’ve used “better,” more capable gear (as regards sports photography / AF tracking), and mean really used it. I haven’t. The old X100 was the best camera I had ever used. Then later, the XT1 blew it away – slaughtered it. So to me, I may be intellectually aware that CaNikon white lens bazookas will perform much better for those tasks, I don’t have an actual experience of it. Here’s how I think that shapes our shooting experiences differently:
Initially, we both have the same trouble focusing. Let’s just assume it’s identical, because it might as well be. My background has never led me to expect better. I experiment with settings, find workarounds, and get creative (many details already posted elsewhere on the forum, plenty available if you’re ever curious). I get shots that work for me, even if I didn’t get everything I could imagine. I can’t recall a time where I just could NOT get something, period. I’m interpolating here, but I imagine that when you hit that same initial wall, something in your brain says “well SHIT, the Nikon could do this, no problem” and just … stops. That’s a gross oversimplification, and one that I hope doesn’t sound like critique. But there are plenty of perfect parallels in my life with bikes, too, and that may be where the idea snuck in from… I’ve never owned light weight racy equipment, so I’m thrilled with my 90’s era aluminum mountain bike.
Unfortunately for Tim Right This Second (soon to be replaced with Future Tim), the net results here are a happy Kyle and a frustrated Tim.
What I’m usually pondering is the differences in us, and what might explain how we both find very similar gear for very similar purposes. After kicking several ideas off the table, I have one that sticks: You know better. By that, I mean that you’ve used “better,” more capable gear (as regards sports photography / AF tracking), and mean really used it. I haven’t. The old X100 was the best camera I had ever used. Then later, the XT1 blew it away – slaughtered it. So to me, I may be intellectually aware that CaNikon white lens bazookas will perform much better for those tasks, I don’t have an actual experience of it. Here’s how I think that shapes our shooting experiences differently:
Initially, we both have the same trouble focusing. Let’s just assume it’s identical, because it might as well be. My background has never led me to expect better. I experiment with settings, find workarounds, and get creative (many details already posted elsewhere on the forum, plenty available if you’re ever curious). I get shots that work for me, even if I didn’t get everything I could imagine. I can’t recall a time where I just could NOT get something, period. I’m interpolating here, but I imagine that when you hit that same initial wall, something in your brain says “well SHIT, the Nikon could do this, no problem” and just … stops. That’s a gross oversimplification, and one that I hope doesn’t sound like critique. But there are plenty of perfect parallels in my life with bikes, too, and that may be where the idea snuck in from… I’ve never owned light weight racy equipment, so I’m thrilled with my 90’s era aluminum mountain bike.
Unfortunately for Tim Right This Second (soon to be replaced with Future Tim), the net results here are a happy Kyle and a frustrated Tim.
Tim Williams
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Kyle, after what I will refer to as a miniature meltdown on my part, you're right. Sunday afternoon I drove out to the Range and thought about a lot of things and finally came to the correct conclusion I believe. The things I can control (photography) being one, is not the cause of my frustration , the thing I can't control for the first time in my life( Health ) is. I have never been this injured in my life for this length of time and not been able to be active without considerable pain. It has taken away from me something I have always had and that was the ability to be out doors biking or even hiking. So now when I think about going out to shoot, in the back of my mind is ( you know this is going to hurt ). Hell if I wanted to I can walk next door and borrow my Daughters D7200 and it will get the focus tracking job done all day. I know I owned it for a year before giving it to her and keeping the D700 ,but it's going to hurt just as bad to haul it around as the next piece of gear.
So in conclusion to this I made a deal with myself to work on the source of my frustration . I am trying a drug free approach, with yoga, stretches and walking, while the pain is still there my mind is more clear and I'm more at peace with things already. I have walked a mile each day the past two and really the pain level is not much different than with the prescriptions. So there's an appt. with the Spine Institute later this month and I will go from there.
I still think about Photography everyday, and you guys are special. Thanks
So in conclusion to this I made a deal with myself to work on the source of my frustration . I am trying a drug free approach, with yoga, stretches and walking, while the pain is still there my mind is more clear and I'm more at peace with things already. I have walked a mile each day the past two and really the pain level is not much different than with the prescriptions. So there's an appt. with the Spine Institute later this month and I will go from there.
I still think about Photography everyday, and you guys are special. Thanks
